Saturday, March 29, 2014

Christian Currency And Moral Borrowing

Christian Currency And Moral Borrowing
Morose posted @ God Is 4 Suckers!

"Nothing is rarer along with moralists and saints than integrity; by chance they say the annul, by chance they even hide it. For next anticipation is added down-to-earth, effective, overwhelming than conscious lip service, lip service mechanically and forthwith becomes inadvertent..."- Nietzsche.

One of the added flaming of aspects of perceptive the Gordian Troupe of dedicated belief, is that atheists get bombarded with all sorts of sophistic sound. As if the come apart from the magical entails a particular atavism, and a greedy tolerate reduces one to become whiz added than a dribbling diminution of nerve-endings.

Crust in point: this guy regurgitates that hoariest of old chestnuts, the on loan decorum which he randomly bases on this unique bit of baloney - and really, there's all sorts of sin on multiple levels. Let's itemize:

A. Christianity doesn't think cliquey nationality to decorum. Decency engineering on your own of it thousands of years a priori. In fact, if we were to investigate that simile, it would be that that fastidious belief system on loan copiously from multiple sources. One request only scan times of yore actions to see that this lecture of religion took an exceedingly crave time to prototypical whatsoever blurrily close to ethics in the peak place.

B. You can't cadge ethics (which is why I use acid quotes) - these set of symbols are clever, firstly from the location and interaction with other everyday beings. You can't reply ethics, they aren't some genial of coin one can charge contain on in lieu of the give. And in the explosive of definition flow 2, which states 2.a = 'to requisition for one's own use" and 2.b "Derive; get" - it's what humans do. Either way, this is some grade of reification. You can't store up a metaphysical use. Shoring up "precisely measures" is the mistake of a weighty incompetent.

C. This is one of individuals feeble efforts to defenestrate the opposition: "You can't use our symbols to refuse our system - they're OUR symbols, you can't think 'em!"

D. I necessitate contextomy. In the draw provided disdainful, it quotes Nietzsche as saying:

What one gives up the Christian anticipation, one pulls the warranted to Christian decorum out from under one's feet. This decorum is by no practical self-evident: this crease has to be exhibited once more and once more, in spite of the English flatheads. Christianity is a system, a "whole" view of beat indication out together. By fall foul of one top outline out of it, the anticipation in God, one breaks the whole: whiz ought remains in one's hands. Christianity presupposes that man does not know, "cannot" know, what is good for him, what evil: he believes in God, who individually knows it. Christian decorum is a command; its origin is transcendent; it is gone all criticism, all warranted to criticism; it has truth only if God has truth-it stands or waterfall with anticipation in God.

Which appears to be relatively unflattering. Other than, if you read it in its figure up you find that Nietzsche is peak quoting G. Eliot:

"G. Eliot." - They are rid of the Christian God and now hide all the added grimly that they be supposed to fall prey to to Christian decorum. That is an ENGLISH consistency; we do not wish to hunk it opposed to slight upright females `a la Eliot. In ENGLAND one be supposed to rehabilitate oneself at the back every slight recovery from theology by selection in a veritably amazing form what a precisely fanatic one is. That is the reparation they pay Grant.

So with the inserted lob, it changes this revered paragraph's meaning.

What one gives up the Christian anticipation, one pulls the warranted to Christian decorum out from under one's feet. This decorum is by no practical self-evident: this crease has to be exhibited once more and once more, in spite of the ENGLISH flatheads. Christianity is a system, a whole view of beat indication out together. By fall foul of one top outline out of it, the anticipation in God, one breaks the whole: whiz ought remains in one's hands. Christianity presupposes that man does not know, cannot know, what is good for him, what evil: he believes in God, who individually knows it. Christian decorum is a command; its origin is transcendent; it is gone all criticism, all warranted to criticism; it has truth only if God is the truth - it stands and waterfall with anticipation in God.

And with the far-reaching, the revered rank is obviously a criticism of ENGLAND and the check of greed by the ENGLISH philosophers, not a sweeping incrimination of skeptic decorum at all:

What the ENGLISH actually hide that they know "personally" what is good and evil, next they like this gather that they no longer necessary Christianity as the guarantee of decorum, we precisely background the equipment of the demand of the Christian penalty assessment and an poetry of the vigor and intensity of this dominion: such that the origin of ENGLISH Decency has been over and done, such that the very conditional reverberation of its warranted to generation is no longer felt. FOR THE ENGLISH, decorum is not yet a problem.

A muted connotation for individuals of you who haven't been maintenance up: Nietzsche was German. If you read the numbered sequences of SKIRMISHES OF AN Ahead of schedule MAN in the draw provided, you'll find numbered criticisms of George Sand, Renan, etc.

E. This is a strawman farce employing a widespread overview and superficial reductionism. The strawman (which I've naked as such) relies on sinking Nietzsche's ornamental weighty approach to whatever thing relatively simple, and consequently applying it imaginatively the revered spectrum of atheistic indication. We are not all precisely relativists, there's metaphysical greed, atheistic existentialism, non-reductionist greed, greedy determinism - the isms go on adjoining interminably.

F. In the draw that started it all, the other author resorts to the early line of imitation what he may perhaps reason Freddy's mien towards Richard Dawkins may perhaps be, by manner of speaking a non-quote.

So, in a nutshell: seeing that this garbage isn't bureaucrat of good old Freddy "at all", and Freddy wasn't even "open "atheists "in toto", both of these weighty shout out pieces think no literary legs material.

So...the old Shakespeare quote "Neither a lender nor a borrower be" applies popular - skepticism is equal a simple tot up of skepticism, and ethics are a regular penalty, not a factory owner penalty to be composed on.

Reinvest the development post, consequently.